Episode 60

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19th Dec 2025

The Murder of Carl and Michele Reiner EP.60

Facing the Truth About Mental Illness and Tragedy: A Message From Earnest Mann

Hey, this is Earnest Mann. Today, I’m speaking from a place of real pain and reflection. This episode wasn’t easy for me to record — but it needed to be said. I’m addressing the tragic loss of Rob and Michelle Reiner, and what I believe could’ve possibly prevented it. If there’s any chance this message can save even one life, then it’s worth saying.

The Tragic Consequences of Ignoring Severe Mental Illness

I’ve witnessed firsthand the devastating outcomes of untreated and misunderstood Class B mental illnesses like dissociative disorder, psychopathy, and antisocial personality disorder. These aren't just academic terms. These are real-life dangers — and I know this from personal experience. I break down how these disorders differ from Class C conditions like depression and anxiety, which mostly harm the individual. Class B illnesses, however, often put others at serious risk.

What Could Have Saved Lives — Honest Talk About Boundaries

If I had the chance to speak with Rob and Michelle Reiner about Nick, I believe they might still be here. I’m not a psychologist, but my life has given me knowledge forged through necessity. When it comes to people suffering from dangerous mental conditions, distance with compassion is often the safest route. Help from afar. Set hard boundaries. Never ignore the warning signs.


A Hard Truth About the System and Nick’s Future

The system isn’t built to handle people like Nick. Instead of receiving proper treatment in a high-security mental health facility, he’ll likely end up in prison, which helps no one. This episode is about truth, prevention, and courage — not blame. I know it’s tough to hear, but pretending it’s not true helps no one.

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Transcript

[0:00] This is hard for me.

[0:05] Damn.

[0:07] But if there's anything which can be

[0:10] positively salvaged from this tragedy, I

[0:13] want to say it.

[0:15] I want to say what I feel needs to be

[0:17] said to potentially save other lives.

[0:22] I want you to know

[0:25] I've witnessed and been affected by this

[0:28] very same kind of tragedy.

[0:31] Yes.

[0:33] People being seriously physically harmed

[0:36] and killed

[0:38] several times in my life. So because of

[0:42] that, I've developed a very high

[0:46] sensitivity

[0:48] and working knowledge of mental illness

[0:52] issues and behavior.

[0:56] I only wish I could have spoken to Rob

[0:58] and Michelle Reiner about Nick before

[1:01] this happened because if they would have

[1:04] taken my advice, I believe there would

[1:07] have been a far greater chance they

[1:11] would be alive today.

[1:14] And in case you're curious, I want you

[1:17] to know right up front that I'm not

[1:20] speaking as a person of letters.

[1:23] I have no PhD or masters in psychology,

[1:28] but I do possess a hell of a lot of

[1:31] knowledge on the subject

[1:33] motivated primarily from a great deal of

[1:37] personal experience

[1:39] for the necessity of my personal,

[1:42] mental, and physical self-preservation

[1:47] as well as for the others I care about.

[1:51] Allow me to give you a very brief

[1:54] rundown on what I consider some

[1:57] extremely important points concerning

[2:00] mental illness.

[2:04] There are two very broad categories of

[2:06] mental illness which are classified in

[2:10] the DSM,

[2:12] the diagnostic and statistical manual of

[2:15] mental disorders,

[2:17] class B and class C.

[2:22] No illness issues in the class C

[2:26] category, such as depression and

[2:29] anxiety.

[2:30] They're usually almost entirely

[2:33] selfharming,

[2:34] such as self mutilation,

[2:37] self-destructive behaviors, or even

[2:39] suicide.

[2:42] Mental illness issues in the class B

[2:44] category such as psychopathy

[2:48] or disassociative disorder on the other

[2:52] hand

[2:54] often carry symptoms and actions in the

[2:57] class C category.

[3:00] However, people with class B mental

[3:03] illness issues

[3:05] are far more likely to inflict

[3:08] psychological

[3:10] and/or physical harm to others.

[3:15] To put this as succinctly as possible,

[3:18] Nick Reiner is a classic case of

[3:21] disassociative disorder,

[3:24] meaning there was a very high likelihood

[3:28] that he would do what he eventually did

[3:32] do.

[3:34] Now, I totally understand

[3:37] you may think, "Hey, you didn't even

[3:40] know him. How the hell can you say any

[3:43] of this?

[3:45] I say this

[3:47] because countless case histories as well

[3:51] as my own personal history clearly

[3:55] demonstrate

[3:56] that it's true.

[3:59] The facts as I know them are that people

[4:02] who suffer from disassociative

[4:05] disorders, antisocial personality

[4:08] disorders, psychopathy

[4:11] and some other class B mental disorders

[4:15] cannot be fixed.

[4:18] And all the therapy, love, hugs, kisses

[4:24] won't change their condition.

[4:27] It's very sad, but that's the reality.

[4:32] The best thing a person can do in a

[4:35] situation like that is help them but at

[4:39] a distance.

[4:41] Provide them with a monthly income if

[4:45] possible,

[4:47] but with at least the stipulation that

[4:50] they are not to show up at your home

[4:53] unannounced

[4:54] or the consequence is losing that

[4:58] income.

[5:00] If you want to meet with them and talk

[5:02] about their life or whatever you end up

[5:05] talking about, make sure it's in a

[5:08] public place.

[5:10] Do not go to their apartment or motel

[5:15] because you need to consider your safety

[5:18] as well as your families.

[5:20] That can be very emotionally difficult.

[5:24] I know.

[5:26] But it's realistically

[5:29] your only safest option.

[5:33] Now look, I understand you may not agree

[5:36] with me.

[5:38] You may think I'm being cold or

[5:40] insensitive,

[5:41] and that's totally up to you.

[5:44] But I'm saying all this because I really

[5:47] do care, and I'm trying to give the best

[5:51] advice in a really bad situation that I

[5:55] know.

[5:58] As I said before, I really wish I would

[6:01] have had the opportunity to speak with

[6:04] Rob and Melinda about Nick.

[6:08] Maybe they would have listened,

[6:10] maybe they wouldn't have. Of course,

[6:14] there is no way of knowing.

[6:16] But I truly believe that if they would

[6:18] have listened, they'd be alive today.

[6:24] And as far as Nick's concerned,

[6:28] I believe his fate at this point is

[6:31] pretty much sealed.

[6:34] He'll probably end up going to a place

[6:36] he doesn't belong, prison,

[6:40] instead of the place he should be, a

[6:43] highsecurity

[6:45] mental health facility.

[6:49] Until next time, this is Ernest.

[6:53] Take care of yourself.

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The Earnest Mann Show
A truly unique podcast.
One of the many things I enjoy doing in life, is helping other people the best way I know how, by offering people a sanctuary of sanity in a world gone mad.
I do this by offering a different perspective, a realist perspective on just about anything and everything.
You see, I have found, that there can be amazing relevant connections in our everyday life, from very unlikely sources.
For example -
We share certain commonalities there are important to all of our survival, the air we breathe, the food we eat and the water we all need Just to name a few.
but what is equally - if not even more important - is getting people to understand that it's the sharing of resources - both intellectual and physical - that is what is ultimately going to not only raise our standard of living, but ensure our collective survival into the future.
In Realist terms, this process is known as, symbiosis.
That is why I created Advanced Perception via The Earnest Mann Show, a place where you can freely discuss just about anything and everything, the ONLY exception, are discussions that are based on delusional and/or magical thinking, which ultimately are negative, and genocidal in nature.
So let's get together, and discuss our problems, because a good idea can definitely change the world for the better, and that's been historically proven, over and over again.
Hope to hear from you soon - Earnest

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As I don’t wish to presume you have all the time in the world, here’s just a tiny little bit, about the Earnest Mann you’re reaching out to…..

I’m just a relatively normal man, I say relatively, considering all that life has put me through… so far.

In the shortest possible terms, I believe it would be extremely difficult, for anyone to have experienced all that I have in life up to this point, and not be expected to show some signs of physiological and psychological wear and tear as a consequence of those experiences.

Yet because of those experiences, are what produces something that simply cannot be bought or learned at University... character.

A very good lady friend of mine, once described me much like a well-old catcher’s mitt, used... but well oiled, comfortable and dependable to the user…

Well, if that’s what some folks consider to be character, I guess I don’t have any damn problem, being compared to an old catcher’s mitt at all! Ha, ha, ha.

As far as employment and business, I’ve done it all. From being a deckhand on a fishing boat in the Bering Sea, – and almost dying as a consequence – to extensive experience, in the entertainment business, the restaurant/bar business, sociological research and sapient defense metrics to name just a few of my many life experiences.

Now, throw in a good deal of experiencing – and surviving – bizarre life situations, which I definitely would not have made it through, if not for utilizing my self developed Advanced Perception, and voilà, you end up with….well…. me, and sometimes, to be completely honest, sometimes, I was also very damn lucky! Hahaha.

So if your life’s not so great right now, or more accurately, if it’s gone to hell in a handbasket, reach out to me via the contact page below, and I’ll get back to you as soon as I can, and we’ll see if we can’t make things better, perhaps, much better.
Until our paths fatefully meet friend, take care – Earnest.